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Trial Notes - Day One

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Jerry Sandusky appears for jury selection Wednesday in his child sexual abuse trial Jerry Sandusky appears for jury selection Wednesday in his child sexual abuse trial
BELLEFONTE, Pa. (WHTM) -

Notes from the Jerry Sandusky Trial, Day One:

8: 51 a.m.  - Prosecutors Joe McGettigan and Assistance Defense Attorney Karl Rominger enter the courtroom. Head Defense Attorney Joe Amendola enter later.

9:03 a.m. - Still no sign of the judge but everyone is getting settled. Jerry Sandusky is now in the courtroom. He is wearing a gray suit. Rominger is seated next to Sandusky. Amendola is seated at the end of the table and engages in conversations with Rominger and Sandusky.

9:10 a.m. - Judge enters, Judge John Cleland enters. Jury enters moments later and jurors are seated by number.

9:13 a.m. - Jury is seated and addressed by Judge John Cleland. He asks them to pledge that they will faithfully perform their duty as jurors. They swear to render a fair verdict. Cleland explains their job to them. He said, the way you do your job is as important to the administration of justice as I do mine, the attorney general does theirs and the defense attorney does theirs. You must be thinking, "How did I end up on this jury," Cleland said. He recognizes that there are former faculty on the jury and that many may know people related to the trial, some may be football fans, some may care less. Cleland: You are a cross section of Centre County, of the defendant's peers. Relating to how jurors should juggle their many connections: "If I had even the slightest doubt about your ability to do that, you would not be on the jury." Charges and accusations are not proof that he is guilty. "The burden of proven Mr. Sandusky's guilt is always on the prosecutor. Mr. Sandusky does not have any burden to prove anything; he does not need to provide any evidence that he is not guilty. Nothing should be inferred by Sandusky's choice to testify - or not testify. Opening statements are a preview of the evidence. After evidence is presented, closing arguments will be made and then the jurors will decide. Cleland says it is his job to decide the legal questions, but it is not his job to decide on the facts. That is the jury's job, he said.

9:20 a.m. - Cleland told jurors they cannot discuss the case with anyone, even family or close friends. There will be a time for this after the trial is over, if you like, Cleland told jurors. Cleland told jurors they are not to deliberate as the trial proceeds, but must wait until the trial is over. Until then, they should not even talk to other jurors about the case. Cleland said when he says "discuss" he means texting, updating your Facebook page, etc… Cleland told the jurors he will not permit the integrity of the jury system to be tampered by allowing anyone to talk with them about the trial. As to why jurors are not sequestered, he said, if we can trust you to deliver a just verdict … I think we can trust you not to talk to others about the case. Cleland tells jurors why they must not read the news, etc..: the transcript of one day in court is over 300 pages, a newspaper story is under 900 words and a news story on TV is going to be even shorter - the problem with reading things on the news is not that they're incorrect but that they are condensed.

9:30 a.m. - Cleland tells jurors they must assess the credibility of the witnesses. Cleland: If you find the defendant guilty, you have no responsibility regarding punishment. "Any concern about possible penalties should not influence your decision," he said. Sandusky is charged with 6  different offenses against 10 alleged victims. Cleland told the jury they must decide on each charge.

9:33 a.m. - Judge Cleland summarizes the charges:
"involuntary deviant sexual intercourse" = sexual intercourse by mouth or anus when the complainant is less than 16 years of age and when the defendants is more than 4 years older than the alleged victim
"indecent assault" = indecent contact with a complainant, or causes the complaintant to have indecent contact with him. If the defendant is less than 13 or 16….
"unlawful contact with minors" = intentionally in contact with minor for the purpose of engaging in any criminal act
"corruption of minors" = if the person is over 18 years of age and intends to corrupt a minor by encouraging them to engage in illegal acts
"endangering the welfare of children" = the person knowingly violates the welfare of a child
"aggravated  indecent assault" = the penetration of the genitals or anus of the complainant when the complainant is 16 years of age or younger and the accused is 4 or more years older than the complaintant.

9:36 a.m. - He told jurors they may take notes but do not have to. He also told them it's just as easy to write something down incorrectly as to remember it incorrectly. Cleland tell the audience he will not tolerate any disruption or distraction. Opening instructions conclude at

9:38 a.m. All witnesses will be sequestered and were asked to leave at this time. Defense attorney, Joe Amendola requested to approach the judge's bench.

9:40 a.m. - Prosecutor Joe McGettigan is given permission to begin his opening arguments. He walks toward the jury and faces them. He was smiling and personable. They are seated in a box and McGettigan speaks to them from just outside of that box. He asks the jury to understand the way young children experience and react to things. McGettigan says though victims have been referred to as Victim 1, 2, 3, etc… they are real people with real experiences. He shows pictures of each of the victims as preteen boys and summarizes their alleged assaults (however, we could not hear details due to sound issues).

9:58 a.m. - McGettigan describes the Second Mile as the perfect place for a pedophile to find victims. McGettigan told the jury they may wonder how Sandusky could abuse so many for so long, but he asked them to consider the emotional responses to abuse, which he said are humiliation, shame, fear. These three emotions lead to silence, he said. McGettigan said affection led to abuse.  "This defendant performed oral sex of 13-year-olds…, dozens of times," he said.  McGettigan described the incident in the shower the Mike McQueary witnessed. He saw a boy pressed up against the shower wall, he said and put both hands up to show the position he allegedly saw. He also said a janitor witnessed Sandusky holding a boy up against the shower wall and performing oral sex on him.

10:15 a.m. - The first victim to testify will be Victim 4. He was a huge football fan and received gifts from Sandusky, who also took him to several away games. McGettigan said he has bus rosters to prove these trips occurred. This alleged victim was also pictured with Sandusky in Sports Illustrated.

10:31 a.m. -- McGettigan concludes his opening statements.

10:35 - The court goes on break until 10:55.

10:55 a.m.  - Court resumes and Joe Amendola begins his opening arguments.  He approached the jury bench and was friendly, he said good morning and "Hey folks!" Amendola tells the jurors, you saw pictures of the victims, but there are no victims in this case until you come to a verdict.

11:03 a.m.  - How did this investigation start? A boy said Jerry Sandusky fondled him under his clothes, this eventually led to a Grand Jury investigation. Amendola describes the Grand Jury process and said they reached a standstill at points. He talked about former County District Attorney Ray Gricar, who decided not to charge Sandusky. Amendola said he was a professional prosecutor and had no ties to Penn State and therefore no reason to dismiss the charges because of relations to Penn State.

11:10 a.m.  - Amendola told the jury it was routine for players to shower together and that showering together is not a crime. He told the jury they must weigh all the evidence the same. Amendola told the jury that Mike McQuery did not see penetration. He said McQuery's dad asked three times if he saw "sex occurring." McQuery said he did not but inferred it. Amendola said McQuery never said "anal sex." He said McQuery never went to police.

11:20 a.m.  - All the alleged victims were referred to the Second Mile because they "had issues." Amendola said Sandusky grew up in the small town on Washington, Pa. where his parents cared for children. Sandusky wanted to bestow that same care on children, Amendola said. Amendola said the jury will hear from other Second Mile participants who also received gifts from Sandusky and took trips with him, etc…but did not have sexual contact with Sandusky. He asked them to listen to all the evidence before making a decision.

11: a.m.  - Amendola said Sandusky loved the Second Mile participants and wanted them to succeed.

12:47 p.m. - Judge John Cleland and the jury enter. The judge and the attorneys talk at the bench. The judge addresses the use of the terms Victims 1,2,3 etc…and says they are not actual victims but alleged victims. "They are not victims until you determine…there are no victims until you determine that there has been a crime."

12:52 p.m. - Victim 4 is sworn in. He tells the court he lived between his grandparents and mother. He stayed with his grandmother frequently because he did not get along with his stepfather. Victim 4 went to a Second Mile camp after being referred there by a guidance counselor. He said he was doing well in school but got into trouble outside of school. He went to the camp in Reading, Pa. He didn't meet Sandusky until the next year when he went to camp for a second time, this time the camp was on Penn State's campus. It was an overnight camp and it lasted about a week. The campers stayed in the dorms and had roommates.

12:55 p.m. - Victim 4 said he met Sandusky through his roommate. Sandusky came to the room to talk with his roommate but Victim 4 was not sure who exactly Sandusky was. Victim 4 said he was pretty sure Sandusky introduced himself. After Sandusky found out Victim 4 lived in Centre County, he asked if he would be interested in doing activities with Sandusky. Later, Sandusky invited him to a Sandusky family picnic. Victim 4 said that he didn't have many opportunities to do activities.

12:56 p.m. - Victim 4 said he went to the family picnic with Sandusky, he met the family and ate. At one point they went and played in the water. Victim 4 said Sandusky was throwing children in the air but was grabbing them by the buttocks and would brush over their genital area. Victim 4 said he didn't think much of it and eventually swam away.

12:58 p.m. - Later, Sandusky called to ask Victim 4 if he wanted to play racquetball or basketball, etc… He would call Victim 4's grandmother's house and ask for Victim 4. He was not getting parental permission to go, he was just going. "The only thing that was a little unsettling about it was that we first went to the East Area locker room and got changed in to sports and a T-shirts…we played that and came back. At that point, I had never showered with anyone in my life….It was kind of weird to take showers in front of people." Victim 4 and Sandusky played racquetball and then went to a different building to shower, in what Victim 4 thought was the coach's locker room. Victim 4 said, at the time, he was not a big football fan and didn't know much about the team. This was the second time Victim 4 spent time with Sandusky.

1:00 p.m. - Within a week or two, he went out with Sandusky again. They would play a sport and then shower. Did the nature of the showers change? Victim 4 said yes: "At some point, they got more physical. Kind of like play fighting, slapping around, type thing. That's how it basically started." At this time, he said he was 13 turning 14 and a small kid, about 90 pounds. He said Sandusky was the one who would start the play fighting, or "horsing around," as Sandusky called it. Asked if it became something else: "Eventually the horsing around would lead to him starting a soap battle….he would pump his hand full of soap and throw it. I thought it was a game so I would go along with it…which led to him getting a lot closer to me." Sandusky would then bear hug him from behind and take Victim 4's hand and have him wash Sandusky's body. Victim 4 said about 2 months passed between meeting Sandusky and when this touching occurred.

1:05 p.m. - Once football season started, Victim 4 would go to Penn State home football games. Sandusky would pick him up from school and they would go to Sandusky's home, go to meetings, etc… He would stay the night at Sandusky's home and then eat breakfast and leave in the morning. Sometimes they would pick up other children. They would play football and go to Sandusky's family tailgate before going to the game.

"The only other thing that was weird, that happened right off the bat…he would put his hand on my leg. Basically like I was his girlfriend. Ya know? Just sit it there, sometimes squeeze….it would freak me out, real bad….I would push it away, put my arm there…but eventually it would be right back…that just drove me nuts. "

1:07 p.m. - Victim 4 said he sometimes sat with Sandusky's family in the stands but other times he would stand with Sandusky on the sidelines. This was a big deal to him, Victim 4 said. Victim 4 said Sandusky would cause his hands to touch Sandusky's penis and "every other part of his body." He said Sandusky wouldn't be forthright about touching him but it was a gentle touch.

Did you ever tell anyone?: "No way….Not ever. I was too scared too….Other than that, the other things were nice. I didn't want to lose that." Victim 4 said he had no money and Jerry would always pay when they went out. He said this was part of the reason he never said anything. Victim 4 said he went to every home football game.

1:10 p.m. - Eventually, the soap battles turned into wrestling. Sandusky would get on top of him. "There's not much I can do. I was a little kid and he was a big guy."

"There were times when I would try to resist….and not go down to the ground….A lot of this started as play fighting…."You could tell once I pulled away that he got angry and the play boxing would get more intense." …. "After the shower, it was like nothing ever happened."

1:14 p.m. - Did anyone else ever walk in while this was going on? "Not into the shower but into the coach's locker room." There was a 4 button lock on the locker room door so you could tell someone was coming in. When this happened, Victim 4 said they would "jump right up." By that time, Victim 4 knew most of the other coaches and knew many of the players. He went to practices. Victim 4 said players were nice to him and that was a "big deal" to him.

1:16 p.m. - Sandusky never said anything at all to Victim 4 about what he was doing to him (physically). This took place in Penn State locker rooms. When a new locker room was built that had a sauna, Victim 4 said they would go to the sauna first and then the shower. Victim 4 said this eventually started happening every time he was with Sandusky, which was 2-3 times a week. This happened over a period of "years."

Did you ever think about saying no?: The thought crossed my mind. But I didn't have a father figure…I liked everything that was happening. People were jealous. Other kids were jealous. The kids at school would tease about Victim 4 getting molested by Sandusky. Victim 4 said, "I would have to pretend that it was not happening…I had to keep my appearance at school….If I would have said anything, it would have gotten so much worse." Victim 4 said he had to be a tough guy.

1:21 p.m. - How did the other kids know about his relationship with Sandusky? He would come to school, they would see him around town, etc…By that time, Victim 4 had been in Sports Illustrated. Sandusky asked Victim 4 if he wanted to be in a photo shoot Sports Illustrated was doing. Victim 4 said he really like football: "It didn't take very long to be in that atmosphere to enjoy it…" Sandusky told Victim 4 that he could be a walk-on player at Penn State. Did you think you could be a football player: "I hoped it."

1:24 p.m. - Victim 4 would go stay at Toftrees hotel with Sandusky and the football team before games. During the summer, he said Sandusky would take him to outdoor activities, such as golf tournaments, mini golf, etc…He would stay with Sandusky at hotel.

1:26 p.m. - There was a Penn State football camp over the summer that Sandusky would run and Victim 4 would help demonstrate drills, etc… Victim 4 only wen to two years of Second Mile Camp, the first year and then the year that he met Sandusky. What did you think of the Second Mile?: "I think it was a good thing."

"Jerry was big on working out…" that's what he'd do, go eat breakfast and workout. At hotels, when there wasn't a gym, Sandusky would do push ups, etc in the room. Victim 4 said he would wake up in the morning because he felt like he was being touched, on his stomach or down his pants. When he would wake up, he said Sandusky would go back to doing pushups.

1:29 p.m. - Victim 4 said he went to the Outback Bowl, and flew out on the plane with the coaches. He later went to the Alamo Bowl in Texas. In those cases, Victim 4 would stay at hotels with Dottie and Jerry Sandusky. They would sleep on the bed and Victim 4 would sleep on the cot.

1:30 p.m. - Victim 4: "No other kids, that I knew of, stayed overnight." Sandusky's son John lived downstairs in the basement, Matt lived upstairs. Dottie lived there as well. Victim 4 said he would stay in the room next to Sandusky's. "He like to tuck you in." Sometimes he would stay for 20 minutes and would put his hand on his stomach, or sometimes blow on it, "weird things like that."

"It was like night and day, getting out of the shower."

Around others, Sandusky would act like he was Victim 4's father. Others would treat him like Sandusky was his father. Did you ever try to correct him? Yes, but he did nothing.

1:33 p.m. - At one time, Victim 4, Matt Sandusky and Sandusky went to play racquetball. When they got back, Matt started to take a shower. They had been in there a minute or two and Sandusky pumped his hand full of soap and started throwing it. At that point, Matt turned the shower off and went to another part of the building to shower. Victim 4 said Matt Sandusky looked nervous when Sandusky started the soap fight.

1:35 p.m. -Sandusky gave him gifts of golf clubs, snow board, snow boots, bindings, goggles ,drum sets, Penn State sweat suits, shoes, memorabilia (Orange Bowl watch, a game ball). Victim 4 said he enjoyed getting these gifts and would wear his Penn State jersey's to school.

1:36 p.m. - Victim 4 was asked when and why he started pulling away: "I started to get older…I had gotten a girlfriend….and I was basically getting sick of what was happening to me. I tried to distance myself…." When he would call, Victim 4 would tell his grandma to say he was gone, if Sandusky set up a meeting time, Victim 4 would make sure he wasn't there. Sometimes, Sandusky was sitting in the driveway when he got home from school and victim 4 would take the phone and hid in the closet and "hope he didn't find me."

At one point, Sandusky showed up and was upset that Victim 4 wasn't there. The last time he talked to Sandusky was in 2002. Victim 4 said he had friends he would take to football games with him and they would push him to go to games. When he started pulling away, Sandusky would send letters and call but eventually "I think he got the picture."

1:39 p.m. - At the Outback Bowl in Texas, Victim 4 and Sandusky went and played racquetball and came back to the hotel to get ready for a banquet. The toilet and shower were behind a door and Victim 4 got undressed and turned on the shower. Sandusky came into the bathroom and started caressing Victim 4. Sandusky made motions to Victim 4, that he understood to mean that Sandusky wanted Victim 4 to give him oral sex. When Victim 4 resisted, Sandusky asked him, "You don't want to go back to [where Victim 4 lived], do you?" The bathroom door was only open a crack and Dottie came in and was calling for Jerry. He went out of the bathroom quickly and she asked what he was doing in there. Victim 4 then got in the shower. Victim 4 described Dottie Sandusky as "cold." She wasn't mean or hateful, but had an attitude of "they're Jerry's kids."

1:42 p.m. - Victim 4 said Sandusky wrote him "many" letters. "Some of them almost seemed like 'creepy love letters'….others would just seem like normal letters," Victim 4 said.

When the prosecutor tried to post the letters into evidence, defense attorney Joe Amendola objected to their relevance.

1:50 p.m. - After Victim 4 validated the letter, the letters were entered in to the record. A photo of Sandusky with Victim 4 and Sandusky's two dogs was entered into the record. Sandusky's right arm was around Victim 4 and on his shoulder. Sandusky was in a white shirt smiling at the camera. Victim 4 was in a green shirt grinning but looking away from the camera. Several other photos were put into the record. In some of them, Sandusky had his arm around Victim 4 or on his shoulder. Other photos were entered in to the record with Victim 4 and football players. In some photos, Victim 4 is in a Penn State uniform in others he is with Penn State players. Another photo is of Victim 4 and Sandusky at the Outback Bowl.

1:58 p.m. - The lawyers again approached the judge's bench for a sidebar.

2:00 p.m. - Screen shots from a linebacker training video that Victim 4 and a couple of other children participated in were entered as evidence. Photos of the Penn State locker rooms and sauna were entered for the record. In the sauna, wrestling occurred but not oral sex. After they were done in the sauna Sandusky would say, "Alright, let's get a shower."

2:04 p.m. - McGettigan attempted to enter a document in to the record. Karl Rominger, assistant defense attorney, objected to this because Victim 4 said he never received the document, though it was directed towards him and mentions him by name.

2:07 p.m. - The lawyers go to sidebar.

2:29 p.m. - Court is back in session. The following documents and photos were presented as evidence:

Document: "Yes, I am a great pretender. I pretend that I can sing. I pretend many things. However, I can't pretend about my feelings and I want to…." Signed: Not always a pretender.

Document: Very few know about this story. Probably less care. [Victim 4] is a young man who came into Jerry's life, right after his dad died. Jerry and [Victim 4] enjoyed doing the same kinds of activities. When he would ride in cars…Jerry remembers how he didn't want those rides to end.

Letter from Jerry to Victim 4: "Once again I decided to write some of my thoughts…I write because I am concerned about all of us…I write because of the churning in my own stomach when I don't care…I write because I still hope there will be meaning to the time we have known each other."

Letter from Jerry to Victim 4: "I hope that writing some of my thoughts will not annoy you as much as I do personally. We have known each other for…years. We have gone through highs and lows…You seemed like you had bought into everything and were doing well.

Document: It was somewhat of a contract for Victim 4 to participate in more Second Mile activities and do well in school and Sandusky would compensate him with money. He said Sandusky did not give him a lot of money, "Mostly because I didn't cooperate." The document says: "This program is unique and designed to support a special person…The expectations are high and the reward is significant….Victim 4 will be guaranteed, upon his request, at least 1,000 for any post-high school education." Victim 4 said no one else from Second Mile discussed this with him. The document outlines amounts of money Victim 4 would be given for getting certain grades in certain classes.

Document: Golf for L.I.F.E. Mentor Program - Victim 4 said he does not remember a mentor program: I just remember going golfing, getting golf clubs, that sort of thing… On the program documents there is a handwritten note by Sandusky saying: "It would be best if the person working with Victim 4 would always contact me first…He spends considerable time with us." The contact on the form was Jerry Sandusky.

Newspaper article: There was a photo of Sandusky and Victim 4 in the newspaper.

Photo: Victim 4 said they are gifts from Sandusky: shirts, hockey equipment, Sports Illustrated magazines, a Penn State bag, etc..

2:56-3:04 p.m. - There was no audio in the overflow room for this time.

3:04 p.m. - Victim 4's girlfriend noticed that Victim 4 had no contact with Sandusky. She asked why they were not in touch and asked if there was a major issue. Victim 4 said he contacted Sandusky and tried to get together with him. His plan was to just introduce his girlfriend so she could see everything was normal. But that didn't work, he said, because Sandusky just wanted to be around him, rub his shoulders, etc… But she knew.

3:06 p.m. - About two years later, the police came to his house. He did not want to let them in. They found him because of Sandusky's book, Touched. When they came, Victim 4 said, "I was hesitant and did not want to be involved….I don't…want to be involved now, to be honest."

3:07 p.m. - Joe Amendola begins cross-examination of Victim 4. Amendola introduces himself to Victim 4.

3:08 p.m. - Amendola asks why Victim 4 got involved with Second Mile. Victim 4 said he was referred by a guidance counselor at his elementary school. He knew the counselor on a friendly level and had a friend who went to the camp as well. The counselor did not make the Second Mile out to be a camp for 'troubled kids.' Victim 4 said his home life, with his stepfather and his mother, was problematic. Victim 4 knew who his father was but did not have a relationship with him. He did not get along with his grandfather. Amendola asked if he had a problem with authority figures; Victim 4 said no, his stepfather despised his father.

3:10 p.m. - Victim 4 said he lied to avoid getting in trouble. Amendola asked Victim 4 if he could be surprised if someone called him a liar: "Now, yes." Amendola names one person he went to the Second Mile camp with the first time; that person is now dead. Victim 4 said when he met Sandusky at camp the second time he went, he showed Sandusky a magic trick.

3:12 p.m. - It was within 2 weeks of Sandusky and Victim 4 meeting that they started hanging out. The first outing was the family picnic. Jerry, Dottie, Matt, Matt's girlfriend, Johnny, his girlfriend, Kara and her family were there. Victim 4 said there were ten other children "like me" there. Victim 4 said the first time Sandusky brushed up against him he didn't think much of it.

3:14 p.m. - The next time Sandusky spent time with him they went to play basketball on Penn State's campus at the end of summer. Afterwards, they went to shower in the East Area locker room. They later went to get a shower. It was always "later on in the day." He said probably around 6 p.m. but before 9 p.m. When Victim 4 and Sandusky went to shower, they drove to a different building. A few other people were there. Victim 4 said there were not a lot of players there.

3:17 p.m. - There were two doors into the building. Amendola asked if anyone could enter the shower area. Victim 4 said anyone with the code to the coach's locker room could. After 2-3 showers, about 2 weeks, Sandusky started to want to get physical in the shower. Sandusky would bear hug Victim 4 and play boxing. "[Sandusky] was never … forward with touching me…it was more like he wanted to be touched."

3:21 p.m. - Victim 4 said it was "weird to me" that Sandusky would put his hand on his knee. Victim 4 said he never flat out told Sandusky it made him uncomfortable but later he would forcefully move his hand. Victim 4 said Sandusky would always push the touching a little further. Amendola asked Victim 4 if he ever told his family he did not want to see Sandusky anymore. Victim 4 said no.

3:22 p.m. - Amendola asked if Victim 4 ever told his family he did not want to go back with Sandusky. Victim 4 said he never flat out said that but his actions showed it.

When Amendola asked why Victim 4 never said anything: "There were things that…I didn't' want to lose this. I didn't want to lose the good things I had. I kind of looked at Jerry as a father figure…and he was nice to me other than those instances….Also, I feel cool because, besides that part of it, I'm hanging out with players all the time…I don't want to lose that…I don't want to lose someone actually paying attention to me."

"That's one of the reasons, but there were multiple times that I felt embarrassed."

Victim 4 said he didn't really want to admit that it was happening because people would tease him about it all the time and school and he did not want to let them win.

"I've spent so many years burying this in the back of my head forever…I thought I was the only person. And I came to terms with that and just wanted that to go away…then I found out that [it happened to others.]…And I feel if I would have just said something back then, this wouldn't have happened to them…so I feel responsible for the fact that this happened to other victims."

Victim 4 said he found out Sandusky was in trouble by his father calling him, waking him up and saying "Hey do you see what's happening with your buddy?….It's Jerry...he's getting in trouble for molesting." Victim 4 said he told his father that wasn't a surprise.

Victim 4's father had asked him that to get him tickets and Victim 4 resisted. So Victim 4's father put two and two together and said, "Maybe you should get a lawyer….I didn't tell the lawyer anything the first time…I didn't tell the police anything the first time."

3:30 p.m. - Victim 4 spoke to two police officers at the police barracks. Victim 4 said he remember the police officers saying Sandusky was accused of doing this to others. Victim 4 said he did not tell the police in the initial interview that he had engaged in sexual behavior with Sandusky. Victim 4 said he was embarrassed; he didn't even tell his lawyer was going on. Victim 4 said the first time he said anything was just before the grand jury because he was told he had to testify there. He said he told police he knew "a lot of things that went on but I really don't want to talk to you guys."

3:33 p.m. - Victim 4 said he never told police details but the first time he talked about specific details was before the Grand Jury. He told the Grand Jury he and Sandusky had engaged in sexual activity over 50 times, a combination of oral sex, etc…

3:55 p.m. - Amendola continues to cross-examine witness. Victim 4 said he has played basketball and racquetball with Sandusky hundreds of times. Victim 4 said he played racquetball, basketball, golf, etc… together at least twice a week for the rest of that first year (they met at the end of the summer).

3:58 p.m. - Amendola asks if players were around when Victim 4 and Sandusky were showering. He said no because players were not in the coach's locker room. Sometimes, there would be coaches around when they went to get a shower but they were usually gone. Victim 4 said no one saw anything inappropriate going on because you could hear people coming in and there was a shower curtain blocking the shower. He said one time Coach Tom Bradley came in. Victim 4 said he thought he may have been suspicious because Bradley stayed in the shower until they were done. Victim 4 said he would usually turn on the shower in the corner; Sandusky would normally turn two on the back wall.

4:01 p.m. - Victim 4 said players and coaches were very familiar with who he was. The sauna was located in the Lasch Building. Victim 4 said he does not remember needing a key code to enter that building. He said something inappropriate happened with Sandusky in that area close to 50 times. Amendola asks if anyone walked in during the 50 times something inappropriate was happening, Victim 4 said no, saying there was hardly anyone there.

4:05 p.m. - Victim 4 said Sandusky never threatened to hurt him if he told anyone; however, he did threaten to send him home from the Alamo Bowl. Victim 4 said he once shrugged Sandusky away from having his hand on his knee and later hit Sandusky with a bottle. Amendola asked if oral sex is more severe than a hand on your knee, Victim 4 agreed but said when this incident happened he had a friend with him and did not want his friend seeing what was happening.

4:07 p.m. - Victim 4 said it was in 2000 that he decided to get away from Sandusky. He could not drive at this time - he didn't drive until he was 18 - but he had just gotten a girlfriend. Victim 4's girlfriend lived with he and his grandmother for a summer in 2002. Victim 4 said Sandusky did his summer correspondence course for him - Victim 4 said Sandusky did the work. Amendola asked if Sandusky helped Victim 4 get a job after he got out of rehab. Victim 4 said when he was younger and got in trouble he once had to do community service and Sandusky told him to he could do his community service at Sandusky's office.

4:12 p.m. - A letter in Sandusky's handwriting: "I write because you mean so much to us. I write because you mean so much to all of us…I write because of the churning in my stomach when you don't care…. You like to express yourself in a straightforward manner….we seem to be a convenience….You don't understand or choose not to care about loyalty, motivation or caring….on the surface this may appear to work for you…we could be wrong, but don't believe that this work. Our experience shows otherwise…if you cannot care you will not be able to live up to the expectations. You so-called best friends will vanish…you might want to stop to think about true happiness…It's your life, you can continue as you have…we'd love to be a part of your life but that's your choice…we want to always be there for you." Signed: Tim and Jerry (Tim was the football coach at a high school and a friend of Jerry's.)

4:17 p.m. - A letter in Sandusky's handwriting on a Penn State letterhead: "I enjoy seeing you briefly when you come over for the wrestling. It was very positive that you were going to soccer practice…I'm also proud of your performance in school. You have so much potential…When you came over I saw a young man…who leads by example, stands a little taller… I don't know what you think about me sometimes, you never know how long you have. I ask you to cling of the genuine people over here. Maybe you can become a part of it someday…your program will go on with or without me because you are really special. I am proud of you and really care. Jerry."

4:21 p.m. - "He treated me like a son in front of other people," Victim 4 said, if we go to an outing where no one knows me, that's when he's treating me like a son….But when we're not in front of other people, he treats me like his girlfriend.

4:22 p.m. - Victim 4 said he went to a golf outing in the summer of 2002 after he graduated from high school. Victim 4 said he enjoyed golf, hockey, etc…and Sandusky gave him gifts relating to each of those sports.

4:25 p.m. - Amendola asked Victim 4 why he signed the contract with Sandusky. He said "this is when I'm trying to leave him; this is when I'm trying to get away from him." Why did you sign it? "To shut him up." Amendola asked him why he didn't leave Sandusky suddenly. Victim 4 said it was because he was "trying to worry about my future and make sure people are not getting caught…it's not that simple when things like this are going on." Victim 4 said he didn't want to leave suddenly and have people get suspicious.

"Clearly that is a contract for him to get him to be around him more often," Victim 4 said. Amendola: Was he encouraging your education? Victim 4: "No, he was encouraging me to come over." Victim 4 asked why contracts had not been presented to him before he started trying to leave Sandusky.

4:29 p.m. - Victim 4 said he met with the attorney general's office about 10 times. Victim 4 said he has not talked about money with his lawyer. The lawyer came to him and said Victim 4's father contacted him. Amendola asks Victim 4 if he ever paid his attorney anything: "Never, not a dime."

4:32 p.m. - Amendola: Have there been any discussions about a civil suit? Victim 4: No.

"To be honest when this all came to light…and he [the lawyer] came to me…I didn't tell him anything. I had hid it forever, I was not about to start admitting those things…but then cops show up at my door...demanding to talk to me…and I'm worried…" so I called my attorney.

Amendola asks Victim 4 if he has had financial difficulties in the past year. He said no. He does not have a credit card. After moving out of an apartment, he did leave without paying rent.

4:34 p.m. - Victim 4 said he "knows of" some of the other alleged victims in the case because they were all from the same time. Victim 4 said he was a bully when he was younger and beat some of them up. Amendola said another one of the accusers lived in the same apartment complex as Victim 4. Victim 4 said he has seen the other accuse but does not socialize with him or "pay attention to him."

4:37 p.m. - Victim 4 said he never talked to the other accuser and only found out that he was an accuser a couple of months ago. Victim 4 said he got the attorney before he talked to the police.

4:39 p.m. - In 2010, Victim 4 went to the Sandusky house with his girlfriend and three year old child to introduce them because Victim 4's girlfriend was "more than a little" suspicious. Amendola asks if Victim 4 indicated he wanted the Sandusky's to be a part of his family. Victim 4 said no. Victim 4, his girlfriend and son were there for an hour and a half, at the most.

4:42 p.m. - Amendola asks Victim 4 if he told the Commonwealth that Sandusky gave him money to buy pot. Sandusky drove him to the house where he bought the pot and then drove him to a store and bought him two cartons of cigarettes.

Did Sandusky know what it [the marijuana] was?: "Did he know what it was? I smoke it right in front of him. In his car." Did he say anything?: He said, "don't do that."

4:46 p.m - McGettigan: "Did anyone ask you to say anything other than the truth?" Victim 4 said no.

4:47 p.m. - Victim 4 leaves the stand after testifying for just under four hours.

4:48 p.m. - Mark Hamilton, assistant program director for the Second Mile, takes the stand. Hamilton works with staff to deliver and administer the programs. Hamilton said new programs would have to be approved by the staff, a committee and the board, about 50 people.

4:51 p.m. - Hamilton said he never saw the Program/contract Sandusky and Victim 4 signed. This is the program between Sandusky and Victim 4 that would have resulted in cash rewards for good grades in school, participation in athletics and visits with Sandusky. Another contract between Sandusky and Victim 4 was called "The Second Mile Positive Action Program." Hamilton said he had never seen this program.

4:53 p.m. - Hamilton said he has never heard of the Golf for L.I.F.E. Mentor Program, another program Sandusky enrolled Victim 4 in. Sandusky is also listed as the emergency contact on this form. The Second Mile is listed as the referring agency. A release form is also presented for Victim 4's participation in the golf program. Hamilton said this was not a Second Mile Program.

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